Ok Oppo, Go back 10 years in time. Which automotive company has...

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 08/23/2018 at 00:09 • Filed to: Ask Oppo

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1. Disappointed you the most since 2008?

2. surprised you the most since 2008?

3. Done exactly what you expected it to do since 2008?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/22/2018 at 23:59

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I’ll go first

1. BMW

2. Hyundai-kia and GM. It’s a tie

3. Mercedes

WilliamsSW > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:01

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I think I’d say Toyota for the last question but otherwise that’s exactly what I would say. 

WRXforScience > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:05

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Nissan for all three:

(also applies to the GTR)

Introduced to fanfare, hype, and high expectations. Then left to wither on the vine. Surprised to be disappointed but if I’m honest, I was expecting it all along.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:06

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Dissappointed: Subaru, hands down.

Surprised: GM. at the depths of the bailout and knee-jerk killing of Pontiac, I would never expect that I would actually be talking about the Alpha platform Camaro V6 RS as a sweet-spot among the big-3 muscle-retro cars.

I wouldn’t have EVER figured I would be talking about hybrid drive in general, let alone Voltec 2 as one of the most interesting and thought out hybrid systems on the market.

Done as expected: Toyota.

Over-hyped, and under-delivered the FT86 project, and then refused to update it. Not done much of anything otherwise except doing it again with the upcoming Supra.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:09

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1. BMW (F and G series cars mean nothing to me compared to the E9x and E6x)

2. Chrysler/FCA (They went from making stupid cars to stupid and fast cars )

3. Lexus (RX350 for dayyyyys )

Nothing > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:09

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1. Pontiac

2. Ford (FoSt, FiST, Raptor, independent rear Mustang, Turbo F150s!, Ford GT revival) Hyundai/KIA are contenders here, too. But, I’ll stick with Ford.

3. Dodge. I think all of their platforms are still from pre-2008.

AestheticsInMotion > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:11

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1. Nissan. At least with Mitsubishi I can say “they were struggling, they had to make changes!” Nissan though... Oh man. You guys suck. In my mind there’s the Gt-r team (also responsible for Nismo, cool concepts, manual transmissions, turbos, kittens, etc.) a ll in a tight circle deep within Nissan HQ (beneath a volcano) w ith the rest of Corporate Nissan surrounding them. They’re trying to hold out, but they’re slowly being taken down, man by man. The special edition Z’s have been their cry for help, and the enthusiasts have ignored their dire need... 

2. Volvo. Things have changed greatly from prior generations of turbobricks, but I have to say Volvo has made huge leaps and bounds in the luxury field. Interior and exterior design head and shoulders above the competition.

3. Dodge. Which is exactly where they should be. Stop complaining about bigger engines and more power at lower prices.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 08/23/2018 at 00:12

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Just like BMW. Acura has been solidly disappointing in the cars segment with the tlx ilx and rlx . Sure their crossovers rake in the profit $ s so they’re sailing by.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Nothing 08/23/2018 at 00:14

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1. Cant disappoint you after 2008 if it ceases to exist in 2009 right?

Nom De Plume > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:14

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Maserati

Audi

BMW

Bonus round:  Managed all three of the above - Volkswagen

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:16

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Only the TL was a nice car in 08 tho. TSX if you really wanna stretch your imagination.

RacinBob > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:17

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1. Hyundai

2. Subaru

3. GM

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > AestheticsInMotion 08/23/2018 at 00:18

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2. Volvo is a great choice. Starting with the new Xc90   They are genuinely desirable now and a world class product that you want not just for Scandinavian wagon quirkiness.

I am seriously considering the new V60.

Alfalfa > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:18

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Disappointed: Pontiac. ‘nuff said.

Surprised: Tesla. Issues aside, they’ve done impressive things since the original Roadster.

Don e as expected: Toyota. Good old faithful Toyota.

Nothing > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:18

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Everything they didn’t do after 2009 has been a disappointment. Stupid GM. GXP all the things!

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:19

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I think Merc has changed a lot wrt their AMG car.

Back in 08 the AMGs were rowdy, slidey, stupid machines. Now they are much better handling and wayy more sophisticated. You can put this in category 1 or 2.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:19

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1) Pontiac

2) Pontiac

3) Pontiac

Did I ruffle enough feathers on Oppo yet?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > WRXforScience 08/23/2018 at 00:19

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And by extension, Infiniti. Back then they were kicking some serious ass!

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:20

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1. Jaguar Land Rover... mostly the Land Rover bit

2. Kia. I thought they’d always be low rent Hyundai...and I was wrong

3. Toyota. 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Alfalfa 08/23/2018 at 00:21

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Toyota is as Toyota does.

I honestly thought Tesla would not progress beyond a botique car maker, something like Lotus at best.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:23

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1. Hyundai.

2. Lexus. Though Chevrolet comes close.

3. Alfa Romeo.

Alfalfa > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:23

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Same. Just another odd electric car with limited practicality  that would fade into obscurity, similar to Fisker.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > RacinBob 08/23/2018 at 00:24

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Disappointed in Hyundai? why? were they better back in 2008?

Spridget > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:25

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I’ll pick some new answers:

1.) Acura. 2008 was the tail end of the golden age of Acura. Everything since then has been incredibly underwhelming.

2.) Subaru. I didn’t think they’d be as mainstream as they are now.

3.) Hyundai. Hear me out on this: right around 2008 (it may have been a few years earlier or later, can’t really remember), my father was on a business trip when a massive snowstorm hit. DOT were overwhelmed, and airports were shut down. He had to land at an airport roughly one hour away from home, and the only rental available was a little Hyundai Accent. The Accent bossed the unplowed highway, as well as the rural roads and the hilly, icy driveway. It did better in the snow than my father’s 1998 Outback. My whole family gained respect for Hyundai that day, and my dad almost bought a Sonata.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 08/23/2018 at 00:29

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Yeah they learned a thing or two from bmw and   did emphasize more on the M part of AMG in recent years but overall they are doing what they have already done. Entry level models A class b class cl a class , mass luxury crossovers and sedans that every suburbanite owns , ultra luxury s classes maybach   and the like, and amg versions where applicable

WRXforScience > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:32

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They’re the company that I always forget exists. I can’t think of a car they make and don’t really remember any aside from the Q45 and the ‘sporty’ SUV they used to make that was very curvy.

wafflesnfalafel > AestheticsInMotion 08/23/2018 at 00:39

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yep - you win.  The only other thing is that I thought Mitsu would have pulled itself out of the gutter by now... but that hasn’t happened.  

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:41

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1. Suzuki. Where’s my Swift GTI? Jimni? The SX-4 and Kizashi were interesting and cool, but no one bought them. Now Suzuki is long gone from the US market.

2. Kia. If you said I had to drive an ‘08 Optima, I’d have pleaded for almost anything else. Now, an ‘18 Optima, and almost everything else in the Kia lineup is good looking and competitive.

3. Mazda. They were just starting to build really good, high quality cars that were competitive with other, larger auto makers, and shrugging off Ford’s influence. Now, they have really pulled it together and continued going exactly where I’d thought they wanted to be, a builder of slightly premium imports with sporty character, good interiors and great styling.

His Stigness > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:45

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1: VW: they moved Golf production to Mexico. They did a shit job with the US only Passat. The Tiguan and Atlas are both completely forgettable, and the last gen Tiguan is crap.

2: VW: I never imagined owning one, let alone three. The Golf is a fantastic car for the money. It’s interior is magnitudes better than Audi’s of the same age. And I’m not exaggerating about that. My TDI has 60k miles one it without a single squeak or rattle. Audi’s populate dealer service bays with tons of NVH complaints. And when my Golfs have more soft touch material than an Audi with twice the price tag, you have an issue.

VW: Dieselgate was not a surprise for me, even as a class member. Also the fact that they can’t crack the US market. No one will ever take them seriously because everyone has that one friend who knew someone with a MKIV Golf with a ton of electrical issues. Oh and they had tons of mechanical issues after they didn't take care of their car. 

BaconSandwich is tasty. > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 08/23/2018 at 00:48

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No, to do that you need to ‘dis brown manual diesel wagons and Miatas.

Berang > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:50

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Saab

(but really GM)

Kim Jong - Healthy > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 00:52

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1. BMW; steady decline from driver’s car to luxury chariot

2. Suzuki; living in the US I had no idea they were flourishing, steadily climbing the ranks in terms of production, now beating out BMW as we read the other day.

3. Porsche; 911 as sexy as ever, and multiple new additions to the lineup that are winners. 

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 01:26

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They have stuck AMG on plebian stuff as well now.

dsigned001 - O.R.C. hunter > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 02:29

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Disappointed: Honda. The second generation Insight is emblematic of Honda’s mismanagement. They still refused to cater to American sensibilities (no RWD, no V8), but also abandoned the quality and spirit that they had held up as the alternative. They didn’t give the people what they wanted, but they weren’t true to their own ethos either. They instead merely aped Toyota, and badly at that.

Surprised: FCA. The Chrysler 200 and Dodge dart weren’t as reliable as they needed to be, but they were better in every way than the cars they replaced, and returned Chrysler to at least making attractive cars.

A bout like expected: GM lived up to my low expectation. They got greedy with the CTS, failed to understand the potential or the significance of the Volt platform, and avoided competing with Tesla directly (I'm not actually sad about that last part, but it was a stupid move on their part). Their biggest success is that VW got busted.

The last stock SC 5speed > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 03:30

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1. Tie between Lexus for going from 2nd gen IS to the predator mouthed manual transmission free lineup and Ford for pairing the Coyote motor with the China sourced failure prone manual transmission in the Mustang GT.

2. Toyota for: gt 86/brz, Tacoma staying fairly true to roots, doubled down on 4Runner staying body on frame, rugged and even more capable off-road than previous gen and the Tundra becoming IMHO, the best full-size truck at being a truck.

3. GM For continuing a proud tradition of being the first to market electronics/automating features and the last to figure out how to make said features reliable or intuitive.  Examples: truck that repeatedly looses power steering due to COMPUTER VIRUS (per dealer anyway)  for Full-size truck that, IMHO,continues to be the worst at being a truck. For introducing, flubbing, and killing off potential greats GTO, G8, SS (1996 impala ss or Buick grand national ring a bell).

boxrocket > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 06:24

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1: Aston Martin and Mercury (bit of a tie for different reasons).

2: Genesis in that it exists and is as good as it is. Actually, Buick too for the same reason, but with less admiration and positivity . Difference of, “Oh, this is nice!”, versus “Huh, this isn’t just a fancier rental car.”

3: Lincoln (admittedly they’re about 5 years behind the mental schedule I had) , Range Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, Kia, Hyundai (though I’m disappointed in their newer styling efforts, especially the Kona), Ford, and Mazda (though I’d have thought they’d had a new halo sports car by now like the RX-8 was then).

boxrocket > WRXforScience 08/23/2018 at 06:26

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I forget Acura exists more than I do Infiniti, but yeah, the FX SUV was pretty neat looking. Pity it didn’t have the overall package to be as competitive.

pip bip - choose Corrour > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 06:34

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1. GM

2. Kia

3. Toyota

Nauraushaun > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 07:37

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Hyundai get better every day

Nauraushaun > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 07:39

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1. Nissan I think. Or any of the disgraced Jap brands. Looking at you, Honda/Mitsu

2. Tesla. Anyone who doesn’t say Tesla is lying or ignorant. Nobody could’ve picked that a company that was EV-ing Lotuses could come this far.

3. Mercedes I guess? Nothing ever changes.

RacinBob > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 07:53

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I figured that would be a head scratcher and I agree I missed it by a couple of years. I am thinking of the 2011 Sonata which at the time reviewed as a world beater at the time but now in my opinion is just another car. That was my disappointment. But in 2008, the Sonata was muck less of a car so I got my years off.

I see that if you add Hyundai and Kia together, their numbers pretty much are in the same ballpark as Toyota and Honda. So, you are right, they have taken a big step up, and BTW have eclipsed VW

About the only place they do not match up is in CRV class SUV’s.

Maxima Speed > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 08:21

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1. Nissan, large company with a lot of potential to really take hold of the “fun car” industry. Based on their work in the 80’s and 90’s they had a prime opportunity to expand on that nostalgia and make some really cool cars, apparently even people in the company had thee same idea considering the concepts they released but unfortunately they were all crushed.

2. Ford, looking back to 2008 ford was definitely on top when it came to domestic sales but you wouldn’t really equate them with performance vehicles in the North American market. Now, ten years later, we have the Fiesta ST, the Focus ST, the Focus RS, the Fusion Sport, the F-150 Raptor, The mustang in many flavors, and the Ford GT. That’s an impressive line up, not only in what it offers in performance but also, style, and quality. Have you seen a Ford interior lately? They aren’t crazy good, but they are actually pretty decent. As sold as I am on Japanese Cars, Ford is actually a very tempting choice when looking at new vehicles. Now, if only they could increase reliability to match, and not cancel all the smaller cars.

3. Toyota, they continue to be toyota. Yes they’ve made stying changes but at the core they still do what they do best. Build the best commuter/family  vehicles on t he road, reliable but not particularly fun or interesting. The Benchmark company that the smart side of your brain tells you should buy when your emotional side wants some stimulation in the form of a non-appliance.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 08:58

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GM, because no Cruze SS, not making the SS the new Impala, killing Pontiac, generally sucking at marketing properly, not putting a proper truck V6 in the Colorado instead of the revvy 3.6, killing the 4.5 Duramax etc.

GM, because bringing back the Camaro, CTS-V, CTS-V Coupe, CTS-V WAGON!!!, C6 ZR1, MY TRUCK, the Gen5 ZL1, the Z28 that made that old, heavy platform break physics, the ATS-V, CTS-V and VSport, C7/Z06, Buick making desirable stuff again, Gen6 Camaro and all the awesome that comes with it, bringing back the Colorado/Canyon.

GM, because let’s be honest, they’re erratic and you never know what they’re going to pull. It’s possible to be shocked and then five minutes later wonder why.

Tripper > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 09:29

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1. BMW - Not right away, but disappointment really ramped up circa 2012 and peaked around 2015. Now I just don’t care about anything besides the M2 and even it doesn’t make it move much.

2. Alfa Romeo

3. Toyota

marshknute > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 10:30

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Most disappointed in Spyker considering they’ve completely vanished off the face of the Earth.  

Most surprised by McLaren considering, you know, they didn’t even exist in 2008, and have now made like 10+ d ifferent supercars and beat Ferrari at their own game.

And I guess Infiniti   has  remained just as boring and uninspiring as they were in 2008

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > marshknute 08/23/2018 at 10:31

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Agree except that Infiniti has become much much worse.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 10:34

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1. Infiniti

2. Volvo

3. Ford

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 08/23/2018 at 10:38

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On Number 3, do you feel Ford killing off most cars is doing what exactly what you expected them to do? I thought at least the Fusion would soldier on as long as midsize sedans remain relevant in the US.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 14:13

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1. Chrys l er/FCA

2. Chrysler/FCA

3. Tesla

B/Xmrrmvr > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 19:45

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1. Ford - T hey were awesome up until recently...

2. Hyundai/Kia - T hey took advantage of the carpocalypse and started the aggressive family sedan look with the 2009 S0nata and they’ve kept going up ever since.

3. GM - Buick is a joke, Cadillac’s strategy failed as expected, but GM will always chug along.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/23/2018 at 23:01

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1)   Honda acura. getting rid of anything exciting

2) hyundai

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dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/24/2018 at 11:14

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I didn’t necessarily expect them to kill off cars completely, but I expected them to make an  announcement that could be a little risky but probably pay off in the long run and killing off cars is just that

RT > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 09/16/2018 at 15:42

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Disappointed about Saab going under , surprised by TVR coming back and Isuzu hasn’t done much differently.